I see the Roadhouse folks as being presented a little more consistently than you do, I think. I haven't really seen my initial impressions of them (which are similar to yours) confounded by anything yet.
That's not something you do for someone whose last encounter with your family involved killing your husband. It just isn't. Not without a whole lot of bridges and peace offerings and forgiveness.
I took that as evidence Ellen is either intentionally lying or mistaken. Or that we simply don't have the whole (or right) story yet. Unlike many other series in the past, these writers have earned my trust pretty universally to this point, so when they present characters who don't seem to hold anything against John or his kids, and then they "reveal" that John got someone they loved killed, I let my faith in the writers guide me to the conclusion that we're not hearing the whole story yet. And that this is the message they intend to convey ... that they WANT us say, hey, Ellen wouldn't have acted that way toward Sam and Dean if John really got Bill killed ... so why's she lying to Jo? And they're giving us the credit to not need them to make it more clear than that until they're ready to tell us why Ellen is lying to Jo.
I have had the opposite experience with series in the past, but this one seems to be following through for me on even some of the very subtle foreshadowing and countradictive canon they've put to screen, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now. So while I agree, that isn't the way Ellen would have acted if her last interaction with John really WAS that he got Bill killed through carelessness, I'm viewing it more as if that is what the writers are telling us we SHOULD get from what they are writing, not that they haven't been consistent in writing the characters.
(and why I liked it in your pair of fics, which I have been a terrible lurker and not commented on *cringes*).
No worries. I suck at doing that, too. You'd think, as writers, we'd be better than the norm at offering feedback on stuff we like; but I, personally, suck at it. Even though I totally know I shouldn't. So I can never blame anyone else who doesn't leave feedback on something they like. Cause sometimes life just interferes, you know?
I want an Ash story, too. If you find one you like, please rec!
That turned out much longer than I expected, but I suppose I should have seen it coming, because I love John. And Ellen. And their twisty, repressed relationship. *hugs them*
Me, too (on loving them and their twisty, repressed relationship); and I think your fic turned out exactly the right length. For my money, at least, it was perfect. ;)
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That's not something you do for someone whose last encounter with your family involved killing your husband. It just isn't. Not without a whole lot of bridges and peace offerings and forgiveness.
I took that as evidence Ellen is either intentionally lying or mistaken. Or that we simply don't have the whole (or right) story yet. Unlike many other series in the past, these writers have earned my trust pretty universally to this point, so when they present characters who don't seem to hold anything against John or his kids, and then they "reveal" that John got someone they loved killed, I let my faith in the writers guide me to the conclusion that we're not hearing the whole story yet. And that this is the message they intend to convey ... that they WANT us say, hey, Ellen wouldn't have acted that way toward Sam and Dean if John really got Bill killed ... so why's she lying to Jo? And they're giving us the credit to not need them to make it more clear than that until they're ready to tell us why Ellen is lying to Jo.
I have had the opposite experience with series in the past, but this one seems to be following through for me on even some of the very subtle foreshadowing and countradictive canon they've put to screen, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for now. So while I agree, that isn't the way Ellen would have acted if her last interaction with John really WAS that he got Bill killed through carelessness, I'm viewing it more as if that is what the writers are telling us we SHOULD get from what they are writing, not that they haven't been consistent in writing the characters.
(and why I liked it in your pair of fics, which I have been a terrible lurker and not commented on *cringes*).
No worries. I suck at doing that, too. You'd think, as writers, we'd be better than the norm at offering feedback on stuff we like; but I, personally, suck at it. Even though I totally know I shouldn't. So I can never blame anyone else who doesn't leave feedback on something they like. Cause sometimes life just interferes, you know?
I want an Ash story, too. If you find one you like, please rec!
That turned out much longer than I expected, but I suppose I should have seen it coming, because I love John. And Ellen. And their twisty, repressed relationship. *hugs them*
Me, too (on loving them and their twisty, repressed relationship); and I think your fic turned out exactly the right length. For my money, at least, it was perfect. ;)